Ralph pastors a church in Cambodia, a country where almost 95% of the population is Buddhist. He creates a warm atmosphere in his church to bring love into the lives of Cambodian teens and adults.
[00:00:07] Welcome back to another episode of The Vision Pod, where guests are hand-picked to bring value to your everyday life. Enjoy!
[00:00:28] In today's episode, I interview Ralph, a pastor from the Philippines who is serving in Cambodia right now.
[00:00:36] We stayed at his church and helped out his ministry when I was in Cambodia.
[00:00:43] Ralph was the pastor of Cambodia Church in Siem Reap, Victory Church in Siem Reap.
[00:00:48] How long have you been there for?
[00:00:52] We started working in Siem Reap back in 2019, but during COVID we got stuck in the Philippines because everyone thought it would be just two weeks.
[00:01:03] And then we got called back to the base and I said goodbye to the Cambodians.
[00:01:08] I told them, see you after two weeks, but two weeks became a year.
[00:01:12] And after seven flight cancellations, we were able to go back.
[00:01:17] So now we are on our third year.
[00:01:19] Okay, cool.
[00:01:21] That's awesome.
[00:01:22] Yeah, when we stayed at your place, it really just felt like coming back to home when we hadn't been there for a while.
[00:01:30] How did you kind of create that atmosphere in your church?
[00:01:36] Well, at first it's kind of difficult because for young people, most of the young people just want to be out of their homes.
[00:01:44] Right.
[00:01:45] They just want to hang out with friends.
[00:01:48] But I think what makes it like home is the warm and genuine relationship that we have.
[00:01:57] For sure.
[00:01:58] And just like any other home, it's not perfect.
[00:02:01] And most of the time we have our own spaces here and we respect the personal time of others.
[00:02:09] But just a simple, you know, hi, hello, how are you doing?
[00:02:14] That's what we purposely do.
[00:02:16] I tell our people here to be genuine as possible.
[00:02:20] If you're not in the mood of saying hi, then you don't have to fake it, right?
[00:02:27] Yeah, that's right.
[00:02:28] I think that's what makes it special when you live as genuine as you can.
[00:02:34] Yeah, that's cool.
[00:02:35] Yeah.
[00:02:35] So that's how you kind of build relationships in Cambodia?
[00:02:38] Mm-hmm.
[00:02:39] Cool.
[00:02:40] Yeah.
[00:02:40] Yeah, I know we went out a couple times for coffee with you and it just kind of showed what a deep sense community looked like and that community group.
[00:02:52] Especially in like a smaller like men's group kind of thing.
[00:02:56] Mm-hmm.
[00:02:57] Yeah.
[00:02:58] So what is the, can you speak on the difference between Cambodia and the Philippines when you're growing up?
[00:03:06] Yeah.
[00:03:07] Before we move here, I thought it would be just the same because we're both in Asia.
[00:03:13] Like Cambodia and the Philippines is in Asia.
[00:03:15] Right.
[00:03:15] But if you look at the map, Philippines is like way, way on a different side of Asia.
[00:03:21] We don't have neighbors.
[00:03:24] Philippines alone have 7,700 islands.
[00:03:27] So it's like we're a different universe.
[00:03:30] Yeah.
[00:03:31] Yeah.
[00:03:31] And most of our culture came from Spanish people, Americans, and even Japanese.
[00:03:39] So we're kind of mixed with our values and cultures.
[00:03:43] But one of the major differences I think we have with Cambodia is people here are more, they're more, how do I say this?
[00:03:55] They're more careful with, you know, with doing things.
[00:04:00] But to the point of they won't express what they feel.
[00:04:06] Okay.
[00:04:06] I think the Philippines is more like America where we say what we feel, we say what we want to say, we confront if we need to confront.
[00:04:17] And after that, we're fine.
[00:04:19] We're good.
[00:04:20] But one of the challenges that we had in Cambodia is when we were starting to build relationships with people.
[00:04:26] We kind of pushed them and, you know, hey, you have to open your heart.
[00:04:31] But we learned that for Cambodians, that's not a normal thing to do.
[00:04:37] It really takes time for them to process things.
[00:04:41] Also, the food, the food is very different.
[00:04:45] And I'm sure you've tried some food in the Philippines.
[00:04:48] Yeah, yeah.
[00:04:49] We love burgers, spaghetti.
[00:04:52] Oh, yeah, spaghetti.
[00:04:53] It's like the West, right?
[00:04:55] In Cambodia, they all have like all kinds of flavor you can taste in their food and every food has vegetables.
[00:05:03] Yeah, there's quite a bit more flavor for sure in Cambodian food, I would say.
[00:05:07] Yeah, for sure.
[00:05:10] So when you preach on Sundays or whenever you preach, what's your favorite Bible verse to preach on?
[00:05:19] Well, that's a very good question because when you said that, I said, oh, yeah, what's my favorite verse?
[00:05:27] But I think most of the time I don't intend to quote the verse, but I always quote it.
[00:05:33] It's in Proverbs where it says, the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
[00:05:38] Okay.
[00:05:38] And maybe because I always talk to young people and sorry, young people, but I've been there.
[00:05:46] Young people were prone to making wrong decisions.
[00:05:49] Yeah.
[00:05:51] When I was still a teen ager, I would make decisions without even knowing it.
[00:05:56] Like for me, I go first and then I think.
[00:05:59] Right, yeah.
[00:06:00] But when you grow old, you think first before you go or step in.
[00:06:05] Yeah.
[00:06:06] So I think one of the verse that I really love quoting is the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom because it is a very excellent anchor in our heart to for us to make the right decisions.
[00:06:20] Then the fear of the Lord will filter every decision that we would make.
[00:06:24] So, yeah, that's a hard verse because it's kind of difficult.
[00:06:27] It's kind of hard to explain.
[00:06:29] So would you say that like being afraid of like what God could do to you or being afraid of like separation from him?
[00:06:38] Or what does that kind of mean to you?
[00:06:41] Yeah.
[00:06:42] Most of the people, they misquote the verse or misunderstand the verse.
[00:06:47] And it doesn't talk about like being a victim or a fearful person to God.
[00:06:54] It only means that you have a deep reverential respect towards God.
[00:06:59] It's like you honor God in your decision.
[00:07:02] It's not fear of punishment.
[00:07:03] It's not fear of judgment.
[00:07:05] It's just in every decision you make, you consider what God is saying about these things.
[00:07:11] And because you honor and respect him.
[00:07:14] Just like what I always say to young people, if the king of Cambodia visits our church or visits your campus, you know, you wear the best clothes you have or you act the best way.
[00:07:25] You'll not be like a stupid guy who says whatever he wants.
[00:07:32] So I think that's what the fear of the Lord means, that you have this deep reverential respect.
[00:07:39] Right.
[00:07:41] Like, for example, love, the love of God draws us closer to him.
[00:07:45] But the fear of the Lord directs us to the right path.
[00:07:49] Yeah.
[00:07:49] Yeah, it's cool.
[00:07:50] Yeah, you need both for sure.
[00:07:52] So your strategy is kind of impact the youth in Cambodia just because the older people, they're kind of harder to reach with their Buddhism values.
[00:08:04] So how do you reach the youth in Cambodia?
[00:08:09] Well, I think the only difference that because I've been a youth pastor in the Philippines for more than five years and been involved in the youth ministry for a long time in campus ministry.
[00:08:21] But I think one of the major differences that the Philippines and Cambodia have is I think the young people here are more conservative.
[00:08:34] And they're more like old fashioned, which is for me, it's good because the youth in the Philippines now, they're wild.
[00:08:43] Yeah.
[00:08:44] Yeah.
[00:08:45] Yeah.
[00:08:45] And if we're talking about reaching out to the young people, you have to allow your hands to be dirty in a way that you, in order for you to find that precious diamonds, those young people, you have to be willing to, you know, to let your hands be dirty and go to the places they go, build relationship.
[00:09:10] And even be patient, you know, with some of them.
[00:09:14] I remember when I was still new to the youth group, you know, very, very new.
[00:09:19] They invited me to play basketball.
[00:09:20] And then when I rebounded, I got the ball and then I cursed.
[00:09:27] I said, you know, a bad word.
[00:09:30] Yeah.
[00:09:30] And everyone just ended up, okay, let's go.
[00:09:34] They just ignored.
[00:09:36] Yeah.
[00:09:37] Yeah.
[00:09:38] And that really struck my heart that time that the love of these people for me is greater than my flaws.
[00:09:47] And I carried that throughout the years.
[00:09:50] And I said to myself, when I disciple young people, I would be as patient as possible knowing that they're still in the process.
[00:09:59] And young people know if you're just taking advantage of them, right?
[00:10:04] If you're just building relationship to them just because you want them to be Christian.
[00:10:09] Right.
[00:10:10] Just to sell them something.
[00:10:11] Yeah.
[00:10:12] Yeah.
[00:10:13] And we have many young people here that are not Christian, but we hang out with them.
[00:10:19] They're still Buddhists, practicing Buddhists.
[00:10:22] And if you ask them, like, why do you join our youth group?
[00:10:25] I just feel good here.
[00:10:27] But are you a Christian?
[00:10:28] No, not yet.
[00:10:29] I haven't made a decision.
[00:10:31] Yeah.
[00:10:31] So for us, like, it's fine.
[00:10:33] We're here to build relationship with you and to demonstrate to you the gospel.
[00:10:39] Yeah.
[00:10:39] I think really time, understanding, and, you know, just spending time with the youth is very, very important.
[00:10:49] Yeah.
[00:10:49] And just having, like, a safe place for them to be, for sure.
[00:10:53] Yeah.
[00:10:54] Yeah.
[00:10:55] So how did you decide you wanted to be a pastor or how did that come about?
[00:11:01] Well, I think if you ask any pastor, they didn't plan.
[00:11:06] Right.
[00:11:06] Yeah.
[00:11:06] They really didn't plan to be a pastor.
[00:11:09] Like, for me, I'm a musician and I thought that I would be a musician for the rest of my life.
[00:11:16] Then I got pushed, I would say pushed, to share something in one of the gatherings.
[00:11:26] I said, well, I can talk.
[00:11:28] I can speak.
[00:11:29] Yeah.
[00:11:29] So maybe God has given me this gift.
[00:11:32] I remember one of the preaching schedule that they gave me is during a funeral.
[00:11:40] And I was 17 years old.
[00:11:42] I said, well, what should I tell?
[00:11:43] Like, the room is filled with older people than me.
[00:11:48] But I saw the gift of God moving in teaching and preaching.
[00:11:55] But pastoring is different.
[00:11:57] I think it just got developed through the years that you have a heart for other people.
[00:12:02] You have a heart to serve other people.
[00:12:06] And then I got discipled by people who are in the full-time ministry.
[00:12:13] I think that's important.
[00:12:15] If you see yourself, like, being used in the ministry or maybe, you know, you just want to be discipled by someone, by a pastor, that really helps.
[00:12:25] Because I believe in impartation.
[00:12:29] Like, who I am today is because of the people who have invested in my life.
[00:12:34] And most of them are pastors.
[00:12:36] Most of them are missionaries.
[00:12:38] I remember our youth pastor.
[00:12:40] He's the one who planted the church here in Cambodia.
[00:12:43] And he would always pray for me and say, like, God will use you in the nations.
[00:12:48] And I said, like, how?
[00:12:50] But, you know, he did.
[00:12:52] Yeah, it's cool.
[00:12:52] I'm here to be in Cambodia.
[00:12:53] What is your vision for your Cambodia church?
[00:12:59] We have a long-term vision for the whole movement or organization.
[00:13:05] I don't know what you call it in Cambodia.
[00:13:09] But we also have short-term.
[00:13:10] The long-term goal and vision is to plant churches in the 25 provinces of Cambodia.
[00:13:18] Yeah.
[00:13:19] You know, but when you think about it, it's like, how are we going to do it?
[00:13:24] It's, I mean, Cambodia is not a huge country.
[00:13:28] But 25 provinces, you have to be always on the go.
[00:13:33] That's why we have a short-term vision.
[00:13:37] My goal is to start a discipleship school where we would train young people, train university students in the word and how to disciple others, how to reach out others.
[00:13:51] So that when they go back to their provinces, when they go back to their village, they would have a heart for their village.
[00:13:58] They would have a heart for their province.
[00:14:00] Because most of the people that come in Siam Reap, they're from different provinces.
[00:14:04] And I remember two years ago, we have one student and her father died.
[00:14:11] And this student, she cannot sleep because of the pain that she's feeling.
[00:14:16] And she lives like three hours away from here.
[00:14:20] And then the next morning, I took my motorbike, that small motorbike, and drove like three hours just to encourage her.
[00:14:29] And then stayed there for an hour, prayed for her.
[00:14:33] And they were all surprised, like, why are you here?
[00:14:35] And I said, I heard that you cannot sleep.
[00:14:38] And then I prayed for her.
[00:14:39] And then after one hour, come back to Siam Reap, come back to the city.
[00:14:44] And those kind of things, like on the way there, I was asking, God, why am I doing this?
[00:14:50] Am I crazy?
[00:14:51] Yeah.
[00:14:52] But, you know, I felt that time that this is the purpose why I am in Cambodia.
[00:14:57] It is to reach out the young people, reach out the youth in the campuses, and at the same time, train them so that when they go back to their provinces,
[00:15:07] you know, they would have a heart to start a home church or start a Bible study.
[00:15:12] And this is how we plan to, you know, to fulfill the long-term goal of 25 provinces in Cambodia.
[00:15:21] What do you think your biggest challenges are being in your role right now?
[00:15:28] I think one of the, aside from myself, like, the biggest challenge for me right now is I tend to be impatient sometimes.
[00:15:38] Like, I want to see things happening.
[00:15:41] I want to see things, like, moving forward.
[00:15:44] But I have to remind myself, like, the facing of other people here in Cambodia is different from the Philippines.
[00:15:51] Like, in the Philippines, like, everything is, everything should be quick.
[00:15:54] Everything should be instant.
[00:15:56] But in Cambodia, it really takes time.
[00:15:59] Yeah, for sure.
[00:16:01] You know, relates to the main challenge.
[00:16:03] I think the main challenge that we have here is the culture.
[00:16:07] I mean, in every document that they have, like, kingdom, culture, religion, or something like that,
[00:16:19] they highly regard the kingdom of Cambodia, their culture, and religion, which is Buddhism.
[00:16:26] So I think the main challenge for us is culture.
[00:16:29] It's really challenging when the kingdom culture, the teachings of Jesus Christ, you know, collides with their culture.
[00:16:40] And sometimes they bring Kamai culture to the church.
[00:16:46] Right.
[00:16:47] And that's where the problem usually comes.
[00:16:51] But, yeah, I think patience is the key.
[00:16:54] But those are the challenges that we have.
[00:16:59] Also, I think if you compare Cambodia to other countries, it's still developing.
[00:17:06] Because of the genocide happened back in the 70s, it's still recovering.
[00:17:12] The effects of those are still evident.
[00:17:14] So I think that's one of the challenges also.
[00:17:17] So many people doesn't want to invest in Cambodia.
[00:17:22] Many people, like, compared to the neighboring countries like Thailand, Laos, Vietnam.
[00:17:28] Just because I see it's like a potential risk?
[00:17:31] Yeah.
[00:17:32] Risk or there's no...
[00:17:34] People say there's no hope with business.
[00:17:37] Okay.
[00:17:38] We preach a different message.
[00:17:40] But, yeah.
[00:17:40] That's right.
[00:17:41] That's one of the challenges here.
[00:17:43] Yeah, that's right.
[00:17:45] What are a couple books that you've read that have really changed your life?
[00:17:50] I have a lot.
[00:17:51] I love reading books.
[00:17:53] Okay.
[00:17:55] I know, like, many people doesn't like Andy Stanley now.
[00:17:58] But Andy Stanley, like, he's a pastor in the States.
[00:18:02] He has this book, Communicating for a Change.
[00:18:06] That really changed my perspective about preaching.
[00:18:10] It's a book about communicating.
[00:18:15] It's about preaching, not just for pastors, but presentation in general.
[00:18:21] I remember he said there, famous actors and actresses would memorize their line so that they can deliver it with impact.
[00:18:31] And he said, how much more for us as pastors?
[00:18:34] Of course, we should, you know, memorize the word, memorize what God has given to us so that we can effectively share it.
[00:18:42] So that's one of the books, Communicating for a Change.
[00:18:48] Practicing the Presence by Brother Lawrence, like, very, very old book.
[00:18:54] Yeah.
[00:18:54] And he's a monk.
[00:18:57] And he just practiced the presence of God and loves the presence of God.
[00:19:04] Ruthless Elimination of Hurry by John Mark Comer.
[00:19:09] That's also because as a young leader, as a young pastor, we tend to be the hero of everything.
[00:19:17] We want to do everything.
[00:19:18] We want to try everything that works.
[00:19:22] So that book kind of slowed me down because it's about eliminating hurry and focusing on the rhythms of the spirit, rhythms of grace and be able to enjoy life.
[00:19:35] And, you know, not to be burnt out.
[00:19:38] Because I think first year, second year that we spent in Cambodia, I almost got burnt out because I'm like a politician.
[00:19:48] We have a lot of projects that we're doing and I'm starting to feel like I'm not happy with doing these things.
[00:19:56] But that book really helped me.
[00:20:00] What else?
[00:20:01] John Maxwell books.
[00:20:03] Right.
[00:20:03] Yeah.
[00:20:03] Leadership books.
[00:20:05] Yeah.
[00:20:05] Leadership books.
[00:20:08] Craig Groeschel.
[00:20:10] I listen to Craig Groeschel Leadership Podcast.
[00:20:15] And I think as a leader, you have to really invest with books, invest reading.
[00:20:24] Especially if you want to grow in the business world.
[00:20:27] There's so many wisdom from other people.
[00:20:30] They say like learn from experience.
[00:20:33] But you don't have to experience it.
[00:20:35] You just have to listen to the person who experience it.
[00:20:39] That's right.
[00:20:39] Yeah.
[00:20:40] And then you find yourself doing exactly what you read about.
[00:20:45] Yeah.
[00:20:47] So are you doing anything with business or just mostly ministry?
[00:20:52] I don't know if you call it business.
[00:20:54] But I do editing for some churches.
[00:20:57] Okay.
[00:20:57] I do video editing and social media management and content creation for some of the churches
[00:21:05] in the States.
[00:21:07] Yeah.
[00:21:08] Aside from a pastor.
[00:21:10] Yeah.
[00:21:11] Yeah.
[00:21:12] I remember when we showed up, there was a whole bunch.
[00:21:14] We got there and there was like 20 different rules.
[00:21:18] But it didn't seem like it was that many after a couple days.
[00:21:24] They were just kind of like boundaries that you didn't really think about.
[00:21:28] How do you create those?
[00:21:31] Well, when we arrived here, the rules are still there.
[00:21:35] I've already existed.
[00:21:37] It's already in place.
[00:21:40] But I did my best because seeing those rules like 21 house rules, right?
[00:21:48] It's kind of, wow, are we in a re-education camp?
[00:21:54] Yeah.
[00:21:56] But me and my wife, we did our best to create a culture where those boundaries exist, but
[00:22:04] it's all communicated in love.
[00:22:06] Mm-hmm.
[00:22:07] But I'm not perfect.
[00:22:09] Sometimes I go beyond those boundaries or maybe like I did not communicate it with love.
[00:22:16] But I think it's important to, it should be balanced.
[00:22:19] You have boundaries and you seek to lead through relationship.
[00:22:24] That's right.
[00:22:24] Yeah.
[00:22:25] Not by control.
[00:22:26] Yeah.
[00:22:27] Yeah.
[00:22:27] An example as well.
[00:22:29] What is your, what is like the book topic that you've read the most about?
[00:22:34] What do you say?
[00:22:35] Would it be leadership?
[00:22:37] What book like topic have you read the most about?
[00:22:41] Like your go-to?
[00:22:43] Leadership.
[00:22:44] Leadership?
[00:22:45] Yeah.
[00:22:45] Okay.
[00:22:46] Ever since leadership and other pastors might not agree, but I like self-help.
[00:22:56] Okay.
[00:22:57] Yeah.
[00:22:58] Yeah.
[00:22:58] Why would you say that other pastors wouldn't agree?
[00:23:01] Because some pastors would say, oh, the Bible is enough.
[00:23:05] Oh, okay.
[00:23:05] Yeah.
[00:23:07] Yeah.
[00:23:07] And I think just some of those.
[00:23:08] Which is true, right?
[00:23:10] Right.
[00:23:10] But you want to hear from others who have experienced other things as well.
[00:23:16] Yeah.
[00:23:17] Yeah.
[00:23:17] It helps expand on it a little bit too.
[00:23:19] Mm-hmm.
[00:23:20] Yeah.
[00:23:21] Yeah.
[00:23:22] You got a couple good like supporting staff there too.
[00:23:27] How did you find all them and then get them to stay?
[00:23:35] I'm not sure if I found them or they just showed.
[00:23:40] Okay.
[00:23:40] Okay.
[00:23:42] Because to be honest, like first year, second year, we felt alone.
[00:23:47] Okay.
[00:23:48] And our experience was this, like we're chasing people who were here before, like the old timers.
[00:23:56] We're kind of chasing them.
[00:23:59] And it was really exhausting because, you know, some people, they don't want to be chased.
[00:24:03] Some people don't want to commit.
[00:24:05] And then I remember one day we're on our way from the village.
[00:24:08] You've been to the village, right?
[00:24:10] Yeah.
[00:24:10] We're on our way to the village.
[00:24:11] It's a long drive by a motorbike.
[00:24:15] And I was asking God, Lord, should we still chase the old timers?
[00:24:19] Should we still chase these people who have been here in the church for a long time, but still they are not doing something?
[00:24:29] Mm-hmm.
[00:24:29] And then God reminded me of Jesus.
[00:24:34] He's always moving.
[00:24:36] He's always moving.
[00:24:37] And He just ministers to those who follow Him.
[00:24:44] If you follow Him, He will minister to you.
[00:24:46] If you stop following Him, He will not.
[00:24:49] Yeah.
[00:24:49] So that's the time we made a decision.
[00:24:51] Okay, we're not going to waste our strength to these people who don't reciprocate it with love or with time.
[00:25:00] So we just go and don't stop reaching out.
[00:25:04] Whenever we're discouraged, we would go out and do prayer walk.
[00:25:07] That's one of the things that, one of the habits that we develop here in Cambodia.
[00:25:13] The moment we felt, oh, we're so discouraged.
[00:25:16] Let's go out.
[00:25:16] Right.
[00:25:17] Let's walk in the park and do prayer walk.
[00:25:20] And eventually we would meet people that, you know.
[00:25:24] And that's one of the testimonies we have here.
[00:25:26] Most of the people in the church right now, they came from the villages and places that we did prayer walk.
[00:25:35] And we've never imagined, even right now, when we pass by their villages, I would be emotional.
[00:25:42] And I said, who would have thought?
[00:25:44] Like, yeah.
[00:25:44] These people would come to church.
[00:25:47] God would connect them to us without, you know, without us knowing that it would happen or they would be connected.
[00:25:56] Yeah.
[00:25:56] Yeah.
[00:25:57] Seeing the fruit come a little bit later.
[00:25:59] That's pretty cool.
[00:26:01] So what would you say are your, like, biggest things you learned about leadership?
[00:26:06] Many years ago, I read from John Maxwell's book that leadership is influence.
[00:26:12] He said, leadership is influence, nothing more, nothing less.
[00:26:15] Which I carried for a long time.
[00:26:19] But then God brought me to a deeper meaning of leadership when I read the Gospels, when I read the life of Jesus.
[00:26:29] That leadership is ultimately servanthood.
[00:26:32] It's about serving others.
[00:26:35] It's about putting others first before yourself.
[00:26:38] And if you have that kind of posture, if you have that kind of desire, you know, to serve the people,
[00:26:46] then you would be willing to sacrifice.
[00:26:48] You would be willing to go beyond.
[00:26:51] And I learned also that as a leader, you should be always the one first doing the things that you're trying to communicate to people.
[00:27:03] For sure.
[00:27:04] And you define the temperature of the room.
[00:27:07] You define the passion, the motivation of the people.
[00:27:12] So it's really a tough challenge for if you are a leader.
[00:27:17] It's very, very challenging.
[00:27:20] There's a famous saying that it's lonely at the top.
[00:27:25] That many people don't understand the pain of leadership.
[00:27:31] But I felt like it's not always true.
[00:27:35] You don't have to be always lonely when you reach the top.
[00:27:41] Because leadership is empowering others and trusting them, letting them fail, letting your disciples fail,
[00:27:50] letting the people under you learn.
[00:27:54] And at the same time, take them by the hand and guide them.
[00:27:59] Okay, cool.
[00:28:00] Well, thank you for coming on my podcast, Ralph.
[00:28:03] Thank you, everyone, for listening.
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