Corbin Gavin is on the podcast this week to discuss making smart financial decisions. He shares how he used the oilfield to create freedom for himself and his family.
[00:00:07] Welcome back to another episode of The Vision Pod where guests are hand-picked to bring value to your everyday life. Enjoy.
[00:00:27] Corbin, thanks for coming on the podcast this episode. It's good to have you on here.
[00:00:34] Absolutely, yeah. Thanks for inviting me up to this little nook and getting to...
[00:00:38] Yeah, the secret room.
[00:00:39] Yeah, this is cool. I'm in the secret room right on.
[00:00:41] Yeah, and just got some, just upgrading it every chance I kind of get.
[00:00:47] But, so right now you are, you work in the oilfield.
[00:00:52] What would you say is the right way to do the oilfield in Grand Prairie?
[00:00:56] The right way to do the oilfield.
[00:00:58] We could probably talk about it the wrong way, a little easier, but...
[00:01:00] Yeah.
[00:01:00] The right way, I think with, it's, a lot of guys go to the oilfield for the paycheck.
[00:01:07] And I really believe you gotta, you gotta keep some of that paycheck.
[00:01:10] You can't go out, we've kind of touched on already, the toys, the side-by-side, the quads.
[00:01:14] And then you need a bigger garage, and then you get a bigger house.
[00:01:17] And you just have more, more, and more.
[00:01:19] Because you accumulate these funds in your paychecks.
[00:01:23] You know, depending on where you go.
[00:01:25] But it's an industry where you can make really good money.
[00:01:29] And the crowd that you hang out with, you start to kind of live in that lifestyle.
[00:01:34] So, of course, you know, who you associate with.
[00:01:37] That's a big thing that I, that I really circle into my life is, yeah, if you're doing something
[00:01:42] and we're hanging out, I'm probably gonna be attracted to that.
[00:01:44] And I may go do that.
[00:01:46] And then we're all, like you said, we're all lying side-by-sides.
[00:01:48] We're all lying, quads, we're all lying.
[00:01:49] So the right way to do the oilfield.
[00:01:51] I mean, I do believe my position, like being an operator.
[00:01:55] You know, I do pipeline maintenance now.
[00:01:57] I'm so pigging.
[00:01:59] I don't know.
[00:01:59] I mean, it's not that common of a layman's daily, daily man's term.
[00:02:04] But yeah, I just, I send something from one end of the pipeline to the other.
[00:02:07] Keep it clean.
[00:02:08] Keep the water out.
[00:02:09] Some of the water will have bacteria in it.
[00:02:11] It can eat the, eat the pipeline out.
[00:02:14] Try and keep wax out of it.
[00:02:15] Because the oil and the condensate that comes out of the ground, once it cools down, it
[00:02:20] creates wax.
[00:02:21] So I keep it clean.
[00:02:22] But yeah, the right way to do it, I would believe is to hold on to, hold on to these
[00:02:27] funds.
[00:02:27] Because it is an industry that, unless you stay in the oil and gas, I just, the mill,
[00:02:33] let's just say if you work at a mill or you got to go to Home Depot or a change of career,
[00:02:37] it's may not equal up to what the oil and gas industry is going to pay you.
[00:02:41] So, and I believe beyond like a derrick, like a drilling rig or service rig, like I see
[00:02:48] those guys out there and you talk about the right way to do it.
[00:02:52] Now there's options, but I don't know if that's, maybe I'm too soft.
[00:02:55] I'm getting older now.
[00:02:56] I'm soft.
[00:02:57] That's, that's some hard work that those guys put in and it's some serious work.
[00:03:00] And yeah, I would, uh, yeah, I think the operating, obviously I'm biased because I do it, but
[00:03:06] that's, I think where a lot of guys try and, try and go towards and direct themselves.
[00:03:12] So do you just work your way up into that position or, or how does that work?
[00:03:16] Yeah, I think a lot, like even it's funny story.
[00:03:18] When I got hired in the oil field, I was, I was working out of Edson, um, operating.
[00:03:25] We were about to have our first child Mason's six years ago.
[00:03:29] And so everyone's like, go work for seven gens, just go work seven gens.
[00:03:33] How, how do I do like, I tried resumes.
[00:03:35] I tried offices.
[00:03:37] I tried phone calls.
[00:03:37] I tried and nothing worked, nothing.
[00:03:40] I couldn't get in.
[00:03:41] So I just called as the oil field is small, as we talk about Grand Prairie being small,
[00:03:45] where the oil field is small and call buddies and Hey, where did you ever work at seven
[00:03:49] gen?
[00:03:49] Did you work at seven gen?
[00:03:50] Finally got ahold of a guy who did because come to find out it's in seven gen days.
[00:03:55] It was just, who do you know?
[00:03:56] That's all of us.
[00:03:57] Who do you know?
[00:03:58] Yeah.
[00:03:58] So I get ahold of this, uh, buddy of mine called Mike.
[00:04:01] We used to work together, called the boss.
[00:04:03] The boss called me and it was as quick as, Hey, I hear you want to do that.
[00:04:07] Good job.
[00:04:08] Yeah.
[00:04:09] Okay.
[00:04:09] When can you start?
[00:04:11] When tomorrow, whenever you want.
[00:04:13] Okay.
[00:04:14] Be here in two weeks.
[00:04:15] I remember before I hung up the phone, I was like, am I not my hired?
[00:04:19] Like it was a stranger.
[00:04:20] There was no resume.
[00:04:21] There was no interview.
[00:04:22] There was no, he just called me.
[00:04:24] I want to say out of the blue and just, yeah, you want to come work up here.
[00:04:27] Crazy.
[00:04:27] So how do you get into it?
[00:04:28] It is, I mean, work on the back trucks, getting oil experience.
[00:04:31] Cause a lot of that stuff, like the oil field is extremely dangerous.
[00:04:35] There's a new show coming out called, I mean, it's land man.
[00:04:37] And they talk about getting oil out of the ground is the most dangerous job out there.
[00:04:40] And I'll pressure the pressure that's out there.
[00:04:43] That's hidden until it isn't.
[00:04:45] Yeah.
[00:04:46] It can easily, a lot of things out there can kill you.
[00:04:49] And so to get that experience, they call it a green hand.
[00:04:52] If you're just brand new out there and you're not aware of trap pressure, what's behind this
[00:04:56] pipeline, this gauge machinery, drilling rates, everything that's moving out there.
[00:05:00] So it kind of been really appreciate, I think, to have someone with an experience.
[00:05:05] So if that is with a back truck, if that is a pressure truck, that's a tool truck.
[00:05:09] If that's, if you can have some years with your boots on the ground out there around this
[00:05:13] type of equipment, I would say that's, that's, they're definitely going to be more directed
[00:05:19] towards that having some kind of, some kind of experience with it.
[00:05:22] Do they hire green people?
[00:05:24] I mean, they took a chance on me when I went out there and you pump jacks, you want to
[00:05:29] change packing and put rods on tap and all this terminology, eratigans.
[00:05:34] I remember I had to ask the guy at least two dozen times, what are those called?
[00:05:37] And they shut in your packing when you're pump jacking, you do work on it.
[00:05:41] You need to change your packing.
[00:05:42] So eratigans, just, I was as green as I could be.
[00:05:47] I, my dad was a lumber mill guy.
[00:05:49] So I know like oil field background there, um, but they took a chance on me because I
[00:05:54] was not afraid to grab a tool and grab a shovel.
[00:05:58] And you've got to rely on your strengths when you don't have strengths in that field.
[00:06:03] When I was much younger, I shouldn't say when I was younger, I still think I have it now,
[00:06:07] but obviously it's, it's turned down a bit, but my ambition to be the first on a tool or
[00:06:12] to work the hardest that day or to, to make sure that, yeah, I was the top of top of the
[00:06:18] list for effort that day.
[00:06:20] Yeah.
[00:06:20] I had no problem with that.
[00:06:21] And I believe if I rewind, that's how I actually got the position is I had no money.
[00:06:27] So I was calling farmers.
[00:06:28] Do you got any work middle of February?
[00:06:31] And he said, yeah, you can come cut pipe for, to make help me with my fence.
[00:06:35] So minus 20, 25 out there on a chop saw, throwing pipe around, measuring it out, chopping
[00:06:41] it, building it, building it.
[00:06:43] So he saw that.
[00:06:44] And I think that's what really spoke to him to be able to go to the boss and say, Hey,
[00:06:48] this kid's out here in minus 20 dealing with frozen pipe, chopping it.
[00:06:53] He keeps showing up every day.
[00:06:55] And so I think that's really, that was ultimately what got me that opening.
[00:06:59] And I got an interview and a month later, he said, come September, we'll have a job for
[00:07:03] you.
[00:07:14] Got a lot of that and a strong back and that, and knowing the right people.
[00:07:17] I mean, that's, that's a lot of life too.
[00:07:19] I feel is just having individuals that you're going to put into your circle of friends.
[00:07:25] And like we talked earlier in the kitchen about your parents and Matt and Dan and all
[00:07:30] these folks that you surround yourself with those good individuals.
[00:07:33] and so how do you surround yourself how you surround yourself with those type of people when
[00:07:37] um when you're kind of are you working quite a bit and like the people you work with probably are
[00:07:43] a little bit different so how do you find how do you find those people yeah great question
[00:07:50] yeah and i said that to my wife too like the oil field we are a diverse bunch out there and again
[00:07:56] each to their own and but there's there's definitely individuals so how do you surround
[00:08:03] yourself with i guess people that you where you want to be or people you want to surround yourself
[00:08:08] with and i think a big moment for me is almost going to a place of and darkness is a wrong word
[00:08:19] darkness sounds depressing but you got to go to a place where you can be an individual
[00:08:23] individual and kind of remove yourself i guess remove yourself from a group because you're going
[00:08:27] to be this the person you were with with this circle of friends and you're going to want if
[00:08:34] it's internal you're going to want to change so you're going to remove yourself from them but until
[00:08:38] you can get in that new group it's going to be a real lonely stage so that's what i'm i'm describing
[00:08:43] you become an individual you go away for a while you work on yourself you know you get those habits
[00:08:49] together maybe it's a month maybe it's three months a year you know each individual is going
[00:08:53] to be different so on the journey to find new people i think that's where the development and
[00:08:59] growth for me happened is who do i want to be or do i want to follow my friends i wanted the same
[00:09:05] things they're doing that didn't align with me and there was so much growth throughout
[00:09:10] i mean 18 to then like when i came we got married in when i was 26 and became a dad at 28
[00:09:17] and that was instrumental for me for like this new mindset this new direction this new so so what was
[00:09:23] that new mindset for the big thing for me was i think finances because that was at that point
[00:09:30] really dictating what kind of lifestyle i was going to have and time and i put those two together
[00:09:36] finance and time i think they i think they go kind of hand in hand with the life that i wanted to live
[00:09:41] so once the the firstborn was there and i was still going to work and when i was at work i'd be
[00:09:48] gone for three days i'd be gone for four days i'd be home one night and then yeah i think i'll be back
[00:09:53] but no then i'm out there for a week and i used to do two weeks on two weeks off and these babies they
[00:09:58] start out seven pounds and they come home and they're you know half a foot and a foot and two
[00:10:03] they grow so fast and so to me all those emotions of you know you want to be that present dad i want
[00:10:10] to be there with my kid but i got to be at work too because i'm the man i'm the father of the house
[00:10:15] i'm the provider i understand that as well so it was a hard tug of war for me and so that was something
[00:10:22] that really kick-started me into thinking i need to start doing something financially that's going to
[00:10:28] benefit me that i don't got to work for and that's where right away that i say the easy one but real
[00:10:34] estate it just seemed to me if there's one thing well i don't want to say wealthy but financially
[00:10:40] educated people had they had real estate in one way or another a rental a business commercial
[00:10:45] they have that so that's where i honed in on that right away and for me being a saver like i saved
[00:10:51] everything and i was taught that so when you talk about the education and my mindset and what i knew
[00:10:56] i always kind of do it as i had a blinder on one eye and my left eye only had dave ramsey that's all i
[00:11:03] knew that's what i knew i knew to save i knew no debt i knew um always put your 10 away and don't
[00:11:10] do anything risky and that's my education what i knew and then when i started to like self-educate
[00:11:15] and read and youtube and and look things up my other eye open and there's robert kiyosaki i'm like
[00:11:23] what this is this is a possibility this is real over here so then i go down and like again reading his
[00:11:29] book i'm sure rich dad poor dad a lot of us have heard of that youtube videos and then i started
[00:11:35] to reach out and to get connected to matt the coincidence is an old word i used to use and we
[00:11:42] can get into that later but he had a listing of a condo and i just called matt up and it was like hey
[00:11:48] can can we look at this talk about this i'd like a rental and then the meeting started and like we
[00:11:53] chatted about earlier i don't know what i want i just think that wealthy people have
[00:11:59] some rental and i think i want one and i think i have the money this that and the other so it it uh
[00:12:05] yeah it grew that way and that was big the big kickstart to it the kids were born my time was just
[00:12:13] being choose my time at work was being taken away that i could have been at home yeah and then
[00:12:20] i just want i i had this thought and like i said this ambition that my money should be doing
[00:12:26] something for me and that just totally opened up a whole new atmosphere whole new dynamic of what i
[00:12:32] wanted to do with it my financial plan and yeah that was the journey of sick in this it seemed like
[00:12:40] a long time ago to let it kind of marinate to where it is today but in the grand scheme of things like
[00:12:45] six years it's it's pretty darn quick and as many of us would say we'd like to i wish i would start
[00:12:51] earlier right yeah i wish i would have had this information when i was 18 and you know we joke
[00:12:57] about this at 18 you might have told me this and i would have went cool i'm thinking about tonight like
[00:13:02] i'm not 25 years or 10 years down the road so but i'm really fortunate that i did just
[00:13:10] you know have this desire to make a change and i think that's where that that internally that's
[00:13:20] where it has to come from again you can tell me information but if i don't want to do it i don't
[00:13:24] want to grasp it i don't want to absorb it okay thanks but no thanks yeah but internally it was like
[00:13:30] something dramatically needs to change because i don't want to be gone for my kids lives like i
[00:13:37] i worked at sawmill with i don't know 20 millwrights they're 40 30 50 years old and
[00:13:43] the joke is they all had three wives and nine kids right so they're giving me life advice which
[00:13:48] right yeah exactly right what not to do and and like what they told me is just the kids like it is
[00:13:54] and we hear it lots too kids they grow just like that they're only five for a year and then they're
[00:14:00] this they're this or this i can work when i'm 70 or 75 if i have to if it all goes wrong and i
[00:14:05] got to do it then i'll do it then but right now the being around for the kids is is massive and
[00:14:11] having that family dynamic the family atmosphere it's extremely important to me and that's why i
[00:14:18] needed to implement different things that were gonna help me along the way because yeah i was like
[00:14:24] work that's a joke i say too like at 30 i could do a brand new career and by 60 that's 35 years i could
[00:14:31] still be like full pension full this for that it's a long time to work like it's a that's a lot
[00:14:36] of years so i'm trying to supplement doing something that i actually really love to do with putting your
[00:14:42] finance financial plan to work and helping you out just kind of assist that so yeah that was a really
[00:14:48] big moment i think when the mason was born that everything changed you know even emotions at the
[00:14:54] hospital guys don't talk about that stuff women will have like baby showers and they'll have like
[00:14:59] wedding parties and they'll have this party and then they talk about all this stuff and men are just
[00:15:04] like yep diapers things will change like you you don't get any sleep so for me like that reality
[00:15:10] of seeing like your newborn which i never held a baby i probably should have gone through a few reps
[00:15:15] no i never held a baby before so a few reps of that probably would have helped uh helped greatly
[00:15:22] and and the walk was like from the delivery room to to our room was
[00:15:28] 20 30 feet and it felt like two football fields like this little guy was six pounds and i have to
[00:15:33] walk back with it they just had it's wild to look back on one of your brand new brand new parent they
[00:15:39] just hand you a live real baby like yeah there you go go ahead like i know what i'm doing but
[00:15:43] obviously i didn't so it was like it was from that day like the emotion and just the tug on your heart
[00:15:48] and the responsibility and there was so much fundamental stuff that now like i'm the adult
[00:15:54] like i'm responsible for this living being now so it was basically from day one it's like okay we
[00:16:01] gotta sit down and really reevaluate what uh what things are gonna look like because it's things
[00:16:06] have changed now yeah it just took one took one child yeah so then what was what was the first thing
[00:16:12] you did when you when you knew something had to change i want to say it was self-education
[00:16:21] i just knew something i had to reach out to different sources you know there's jim roan
[00:16:27] talks about this quite a bit if you're worried about what the next five years will look like
[00:16:31] it'll be just like the previous five years if you do nothing like it's don't worry about it it'll be
[00:16:36] exactly the same do nothing and you know you'll probably end up in the same boat
[00:16:41] so for me it was the self-education it was jumping into to books and to youtube and taking action i
[00:16:49] think a lot of things because we can sit around with a group of friends and chat and well maybe i should
[00:16:55] i could that's a good idea and then we just go home and go to bed and go to work the next day and
[00:17:01] nothing happens nothing changes so for me it was to take action it was to actually call like i said
[00:17:06] a realtor call matt and be and be clueless yeah like he's asking these questions and i want to feel
[00:17:13] like i'm somewhat intelligent with them but i don't know what the answer is it was kind of like
[00:17:17] take my hand and just tell me what we're doing i want to get here and and that's what i found with
[00:17:23] getting you know mentors or coaches throughout um you know throughout this journey is they they're
[00:17:30] they've already they're doing it and that's what i really liked about matt is he had rentals at the
[00:17:34] time it wasn't like i just sell houses and i think this kind of how it goes he was able to walk you
[00:17:39] through this is what i did this is what i did this is the next day just how it worked so for me that
[00:17:45] was extremely calming and and and put me on a path of trust because he knew what i was he was doing
[00:17:51] sorry so that helped a lot in the journey too and that was just another thing that i learned is
[00:17:58] surround yourself with people who have been there who have done it right you can walk hand in hand
[00:18:02] with someone to learn together or if you skip those three four chapters and go to a guy who's
[00:18:07] successful at it you're going to get to the same spot but he's going to kind of teach you that
[00:18:13] you know but yeah not index page but he'll just in in less than chapters in a few pages he can give
[00:18:19] you that same information so for me it was outreaching going to mentors going to coaches going to people
[00:18:26] that have done it before and just outsourcing different avenues of information than what
[00:18:32] i was raised with without trying to downplay or be rude but when you look back for me at least like
[00:18:40] with my folks they they're teaching me what they know because they knew one thing or this thing or that
[00:18:47] thing so that's where i say the dave ramsey thing that's what i grew up on that's what i knew and i
[00:18:52] knew it and i preach it and everyone knows me back home for being frugal for having that old car and
[00:18:57] not getting a pickup truck for not spending money for not traveling for not and i look back now and i'm
[00:19:02] like did i i didn't buy a diesel pickup truck when i was 18 bummer okay do i look back now and think
[00:19:11] i really missed out on it or where i am now am i more beneficial and further ahead with our financial
[00:19:18] state and with our home and with you know that kind of stress level and for me obviously it's a
[00:19:23] no-brainer i mean when you're 18 as well i think most of the time we do it to impress people so but
[00:19:29] that to circle back to your question that was it i think i just went to different mentors i went to
[00:19:34] people who have done it before i just leaned on different avenues of thinking but from one to
[00:19:38] another like rich dad poor dad you know with youtube as well like that'll just send you down a path of
[00:19:44] all these individuals that have that kind of mindset and then you just continue to grow off that grow off
[00:19:50] of that you talk and like i said matt was probably the first kind of pivot point for me and then he
[00:19:57] really directed me off the bat and sent me to different individuals and read this book or listen
[00:20:02] to that podcast and then your brain just starts to you know those gears just start turning smoke starts
[00:20:08] coming out and after and it's crazy and then you just you find yourself getting surrounded by
[00:20:13] individuals that that think that same way it's yeah it was a wild journey and it's still continuing
[00:20:20] like they're still there's still individuals even with the financial uh market that we're working in
[00:20:25] now just there's individuals that want to talk and think about the same stuff i do like it's beautiful
[00:20:31] to have to find your circle that that inner circle that you're looking for yeah dave ramsey's good i think
[00:20:38] i think where it gets a little where he takes a little bit too much is from christian standpoint uh
[00:20:45] i look at sometimes i look at god as like the the good host and he's and he's a host but and he gives
[00:20:53] us what we what we ask for when we want it so i think always stressing about if you're gonna have
[00:20:58] enough or always always being so worried if the next thing's gonna come in i think that's where like
[00:21:04] a little bit of trust comes in and just believing for something that believing for something that's
[00:21:09] gonna that you know is gonna happen you know that you know you know that the host isn't going to
[00:21:14] uh going to leave you and let's let you do everything on your own so i think that's part of it and um
[00:21:22] yeah he was he wants us to be successful because our success um looks good for the creator
[00:21:31] because if the creator doesn't make something successful it it doesn't look well yeah yeah
[00:21:37] yeah he's good yeah interesting i don't want to say it's just one dimensional i think it is though
[00:21:43] uh well i can i can go down on that he was one dimensional with ramsey and he he obviously
[00:21:48] understands and in one of the i'm not gonna say issues but an interesting fact is like when he was
[00:21:54] coming up he was the realtor right and he had millions of dollars of real estate and rentals and this
[00:22:00] that and the other and he over leveraged himself and then he went bankrupt and so you go from that
[00:22:07] high yeah you go from one extreme to one extreme so yeah so he failed we'll call it you hit bankruptcy
[00:22:12] so usually when something catastrophic happens like bankruptcy or failure you're gonna say i'm not
[00:22:19] gonna do that ever again and that was where his journey down the other side so it's it's interesting
[00:22:24] how he got to his position uh for feeling and thinking about that because he was so far on one
[00:22:31] side and then the failure and then that's where change has to happen right so we're gonna do something
[00:22:36] totally completely different because that didn't work out but yeah how he doubles down on uh but
[00:22:41] that's where he builds his his empire is his position and you got to take a stand on it and
[00:22:47] it it does work for a lot of americans canadians who is ever listening to it like that implementation
[00:22:53] of that will work and it's just it's not the only way and i like to just chat about the other way
[00:23:01] because i guess in my story it it really did was based off the ramsey yeah and it's my biggest thing
[00:23:07] is information i want to give you the tools so you're informed and then you can make informed
[00:23:12] decisions but my 25 years let's call it i just didn't even know i had no idea it was on the other
[00:23:19] side so and then once i and this is in life too the more you self-educate yourself and i just want to
[00:23:24] spread the word around you know and to save that time that journey that like i said what matt would
[00:23:32] have done for me saved me five chapters and said come with me we're going over here okay let's put it
[00:23:37] to work right away so with the information that i've learned i just i want to provide that to other
[00:23:42] people and it's a wide scope of things but yeah i enjoy conversation and education let's call it or
[00:23:48] just information so it's been greatly beneficial in this last two years i've really become more vocal
[00:23:55] about it which has been a different step i used to do a lot of my real estate quietly no one knows
[00:24:01] what's going on i just and then i guys at work they've challenged me on it before they knew it all
[00:24:07] and i'm like i don't think that's the case oh no i've and they bowed me so i eventually had to come
[00:24:13] out and be like listen i got some real estate and this is how i do it this is how it works and
[00:24:18] and then their interest grows because they they were in the same position that i was earlier on where
[00:24:23] they have questions and they want to know and so then i can reflect back to my time and go
[00:24:28] that was me so i need to be more vocal about this stuff when it comes to real estate or when it
[00:24:33] comes to you know finding a mentor how do you do this or how you know what information is out there
[00:24:39] so it's it's been beneficial for me for my growth and my development and it's been that's how i feel
[00:24:45] like i'm building relationships too is becoming more vocal about things in the communication
[00:24:50] information sort of route for sure so what's your oldest kid's name mason mason so when mason turns
[00:24:58] let's say 14 years old and he's like dad i don't know what to do with my life what where do i go
[00:25:06] so how do you lead him like do you point towards his giftings do you tell him get it get a job
[00:25:12] mowing lawns what what is the what does that conversation look like yeah work in progress for
[00:25:19] sure on that and i've had these conversations too and thoughts of well how do i direct him how do i
[00:25:27] how can i help him of course his talents like or his gifts like you talk about what is he going to
[00:25:33] be going down is he introverted extroverted is he he's like wearing his hands is he crafty is he a
[00:25:40] writer is he he's definitely more on that i don't want to say because every kid plays a lego but this
[00:25:46] kid like really loves lego and he loves crafts and he loves like those i want to say yeah the hands-on
[00:25:55] type of stuff loves the puzzles and maybe that again i never held a baby before mason so i don't
[00:25:59] really know what six-year-olds do now but uh he's doing i think what six-year-olds do but
[00:26:05] for outgoing his outdoorsyness his extremeness he said that's not his forte so how do i guide him i
[00:26:12] think the biggest thing this goes back to what we're just chatting about is is information is to
[00:26:16] letting him know another jim rome thing he says i'm gonna get my son to buy two bikes one to ride one
[00:26:22] to rent you know can i get that mindset in him already can i get because we we are programmed i
[00:26:30] think the schooling system does it well like we are programmed to work for a dollar it's it's that
[00:26:36] circle it's that circle to go to work to get a dollar to pay your taxes and buy things to make sure you can
[00:26:42] go back to work get a paycheck pay your taxes buy things to make sure you can go back to you know
[00:26:46] like i do believe the school system is into that we don't really encourage i don't say group projects
[00:26:54] but if you're the ceo you might you might hire a cfo you know because he's going to be really really
[00:27:01] well knowledgeable in that area the schooling system i believe just doesn't portray that so for
[00:27:07] me what direction i would do for mason i think i want to educate him i think i want to so would you
[00:27:12] homeschool him we do homeschool okay yeah yeah so we are yeah we are doing that right now again he's
[00:27:18] done by 10 a.m and that's another mind-boggling thing now especially when it was still early
[00:27:24] september it was wasn't what it is today four feet of snow but he would be outside swinging his golf club
[00:27:29] at 10 a.m and again i believe at six years old get out and play yeah go use your imagination go explore
[00:27:36] go be i call it a kid but yeah go be a kid go have a uh an exploring day and and figure some things
[00:27:44] out and again this is where the family dynamic sits in um we really like that because we have four kids
[00:27:51] and yeah we want a tight family knit bond and sending them to school for eight hours and again
[00:28:00] that's an interesting thought too is how he's done by 10 a.m at home but we pick him up at three
[00:28:06] o'clock at school so the more i think the homeschooling community is growing vastly and yeah be able to
[00:28:13] have him home and mold him the way that our thought process is and understanding the importance of
[00:28:20] giving him all the information of course i'm leaning definitely more one way than i used to but i don't
[00:28:25] want him to be blindsided by options when he's 18 or 25 or anything like that i want him to
[00:28:33] have all the information down on the table and then yeah what's going to draw you are you more
[00:28:38] comfortable being safe in a pension job going to steady hours then do it like go ahead but if you
[00:28:45] want to go out and entrepreneur and go have some more risk and take on clients and buy things and
[00:28:50] loans and okay give her and and i hope i'll be a good resource for him but i know there'll be better
[00:28:56] ones out there that he can go direct to the source and go learn as well and i think that's what's key
[00:29:01] is going to let's say you know going to matt maybe mason goes to matt and chats with him maybe mason goes
[00:29:07] to dan and chats with him like those strong characteristic male figures out there and go get
[00:29:12] information and you might leave one of those conversations and go i don't like that i don't
[00:29:17] like that one bit or he might absorb everything they're saying and run with it so i think it's very
[00:29:22] important yeah my big thing is just so he can have the education to make decisions that are going to
[00:29:28] align best what he's suited for yeah i think different investment strategies are different
[00:29:34] for so many different people yeah and you're gonna have different feelings like we're talking about
[00:29:38] feelings now but different feelings towards that like are you okay with risk and stress or do you
[00:29:43] want that comfort of steady consistent pension someone taking care of you how do you align because some
[00:29:50] people to think like entrepreneurship is oh that's just they couldn't they just need that paycheck they
[00:29:57] need to know their hours need know their schedule need to know the consistency and it's not going to
[00:30:01] work well on the other side of that coin so each to your own again my big thing is just information
[00:30:07] and and that's in financial that's in life that's in health that's in fitness that's in
[00:30:12] just human beings like i just i really have turned that page on wanting to learn just learn more
[00:30:20] because i saw it and that that's what changed with the kids is they were learning they progress so fast
[00:30:24] one day you know he can't grab anything he's on his back as a potato and he grabs something
[00:30:29] and then he rolled over and then he can crawl and then he can pull his head and then he can like
[00:30:34] the progression they always learn and i kind of felt like as adults we got to a plateau
[00:30:39] i graduated i got steel toed boots and a hard hat and that's it that's what i'm just i maxed out
[00:30:46] so i feel like that consistency in wanting to even learn as an adult i took a lull for a while
[00:30:53] and i just don't think that's the way i should be i don't think we should just settle for this is just
[00:30:58] my life now it's just who i am i still think growth is extremely important to see your potential
[00:31:03] where where is your ceiling i don't know if it's when you get your diploma and that's kind of what i
[00:31:08] thought i was kind of painting this box as you you've made it like you've reached we're gonna
[00:31:13] have a big party for you you reach your your i wasn't going to college or university nothing like
[00:31:17] that and i think that's kind of where i settled into and now having to set i feel like an example
[00:31:24] and be that leader in the household that's and kids watch they may not well they don't um respond to
[00:31:31] listening all the time but they they hear and they're always watching you so for me to have to
[00:31:37] i think like physically set an example see me reading see me doing push-ups join in on that stuff
[00:31:44] being active with their mother you know like it's kids are yeah they're visual and they they have
[00:31:50] selective hearing it seems but yeah it's a huge importance for me on that part huge so where do you
[00:31:59] see yourself in in 10 years from now like do you see yeah where do you see yourself you know retirement
[00:32:10] it's funny we throw that word around i want to retire i want to retire i want what what is retirement
[00:32:15] you know retirement 70 is it just is it this just sitting in chairs on a porch drinking coffee looking at
[00:32:21] the you know the street going by i don't think you know i don't i don't think that's the especially
[00:32:27] when you're ambitious and you and you have a different mindset and direction i don't think
[00:32:31] you can just go 100 miles an hour to zero so in 10 years i'd love to be extremely present in in our
[00:32:40] house daily you know even if i don't think i can quit completely i'd like to do something that i truly
[00:32:46] enjoy doing um if that's woodworking if that's something in the fitness if that's just being
[00:32:52] outdoors um working in businesses mentoring even that aspect i've always thought about running like
[00:32:59] a financial class i've just i don't say layman's terms because it's not to everybody but just tfsa's
[00:33:07] rsps um what's banking what's checkings what's saving what's a credit card any free money i've always
[00:33:13] thought of that type of stuff so i think education has really taken over coaching hockey's always been
[00:33:19] fun um i would just like to get in a financial position that i can it can subsidize my lifestyle
[00:33:27] to just be present i think with personnel in my family because my job is very very remote and i've
[00:33:35] seen myself and two other guys a day and then i'm by myself so i wonder if that's what's missing and
[00:33:41] with our care group and church and community and in that setting i think that's been excellent for me
[00:33:50] because with my work it is very remote and alone out there so in in 10 years the ability to
[00:33:59] yeah i think educate i would like in some degree to educate and be be interactive
[00:34:08] like i said on the ice in the classroom and being active i mean that's always something i've always
[00:34:15] loved to do and i always will do but that would be yeah that'd be exceptional to be in that that sort
[00:34:21] of spectrum yeah yeah just really uh that that teacher yeah i think so i'm and like i go back to the
[00:34:31] the high school thing you kind of get painted into a box of this is who you are you know here's the test
[00:34:36] we gave you poor reader um i was that guy of like reading the book and getting six sentences down and
[00:34:43] being like oh darn i i was i was over here my brain was over here spaced out but come to find out i guess
[00:34:50] they paint you in that box in high school if you're just going to be this type of a student this type
[00:34:54] of a guy you're going to get this type of job and then you get out of that and you find out
[00:34:58] you can learn about things that really interest you like the finance or you can really double down
[00:35:05] on exploring or hiking or outdoors or things that grab your attention well now i can't put the boat
[00:35:11] down i'm retaining all this information so that's a turning point too is to to figure out that you
[00:35:19] aren't painting this high school box that they kind of kind of trajected you into you have these
[00:35:25] this these ability to learn but you got to be engaged in it and i just wasn't very engaged in
[00:35:31] i'm that classic jock i guess that you know my favorite class was gym and the best class i had
[00:35:36] was gym and it just wasn't but i wasn't engaged in in a lot of it when it was going on at the time
[00:35:43] but then you get out of it and you want to self-educate yourself into things that grasp you
[00:35:48] and yeah look out it's so that was a big turning turning page for me is that maybe i am kind of
[00:35:56] smart and these other things that school wasn't again directing me into and there is potential and
[00:36:03] ambition and direction that i can take this to another level of you know like owning and running
[00:36:08] a business or having a real estate portfolio like that totally blew my mind i guess again i didn't know
[00:36:15] how you did that i thought you just had to have a lot of money and you had to buy it outright and
[00:36:18] i have no idea how you went about it and i'm sure there's a lot of other individuals that could possibly
[00:36:25] have that same idea and just wonder boy that's just it's out of my realm there's no way i could do it
[00:36:30] and i think that's where i really want to educate again all aspects of life there's lots of
[00:36:38] i don't want to call them daily hacks like figure i haven't figured out no i haven't figured out
[00:36:43] but then i've learned that i'd love that changed my life that i want to pass along to
[00:36:46] to other individuals and so that to me yeah i think that'd be fantastic to be able to
[00:36:52] i don't want to say give back to the community but just give back to
[00:36:57] individuals that want to grasp more and want to learn more maybe they fit into that same kind
[00:37:01] alignment that i did where they think yeah i'm just a hockey player that's all i'm gonna be and
[00:37:06] that's my limit and hard hat and hammer that's it so that would be fantastic yeah yeah just
[00:37:12] kind of give give uh value value back and give people what you you wish they knew or you wish
[00:37:21] you knew when you were that age i mean yeah that's it would save me a lot of time and we can always
[00:37:26] yeah sit back and look at that and if i only knew i only knew and the big thing of that too is knowing
[00:37:32] and then if i only took action i think that's major major you got to take action on this you know
[00:37:38] because there'll be fear one one quote that sits with me is fear has killed more dreams and failure
[00:37:45] ever will now that was massive massive for me and it's so true we get caught up and we're we're
[00:37:52] nervous and and doing something different change of course is is uncomfortable yeah yeah every time
[00:37:59] you start something something positive you're gonna have an immediate something negative like it
[00:38:05] yeah yeah it's just every time there's always a like a different reaction that will come up and
[00:38:11] and what's what's difficult i found is sometimes the closest people may give you that negative
[00:38:17] reaction or that negative impulse oh that's a that's a shotgun shell to your sales like that's huge
[00:38:23] yeah so that's the i don't want to say dangerous part about it but you're going on a different realm of
[00:38:29] thinking a different idea to the people that are closest to you that you value their opinion on
[00:38:34] and they may come down and tell you because they what i found out is they don't understand
[00:38:38] so they're just going to react on the only way that they know because i've heard real estate's
[00:38:43] really risky yeah everyone has one bad rental story of one guy who had one bad rental now is
[00:38:50] everything perfect and every rental goes well of course not there's going to be some highs and lows
[00:38:55] but the importance of yeah of having a good circle of people around you i guess when it comes to these
[00:39:03] type of ideas as well is is massive and and that's where that was a big change for me is when i started
[00:39:10] telling different people about my ideas and getting different responses and then that really started
[00:39:16] to water that plant and let me bloom because if you keep going back those same people they're going to
[00:39:22] try and trim you down they're not going to let you flourish so that was that was massive for me and
[00:39:27] but that quote is always there's so much truth in it and when you really dissect it and let it just
[00:39:33] marinate it's that one's massive to me so it's it's something that i've really
[00:39:40] really try to take action on too and yeah there might be some failures but you got to take action
[00:39:44] did you ever find that there was a time like you you you pick up a book you let you start you learn
[00:39:52] that you love learning about finances you learn that you love learning about what what this what
[00:39:58] the school didn't teach you but a year later or two years later was there a time that you kind of
[00:40:04] like plateau and you're like all these books say the same thing i'm kind of i have to was there a
[00:40:11] time you're like i i'm not learning anything else anymore that i've learned that i've learned
[00:40:18] all that i can learn from it not all that you can learn from more so like okay enough reading i have
[00:40:24] to i have to do something take some action yeah i think i heard that quote before i started reading
[00:40:32] so i think my action was quite well okay i i want to say i stood in the starting block with real estate
[00:40:37] for the longest like i was a we we chatted earlier but i was a saver and that first check 20 down on a
[00:40:44] rental oh that it was sickening because i've never there's the biggest check ever wrote in my life
[00:40:49] and i was a saver so that was probably the biggest hole on the reins for me um but then now lately we've
[00:40:57] gone into some different business avenues and it's been it's so like rewarding and it feels
[00:41:04] rejuvenating to take action on it to sometimes a point where we pull the trigger and then we have
[00:41:08] discussions like did we do the right thing but it's almost i make the joke of like a text or an email
[00:41:14] we'll sit we'll stew on it we'll think about it i've tried this new thing where i just text and press
[00:41:19] send it's gone it's it's it's in the universe it's in the world it's in the nothing i can do about it
[00:41:25] now it's it's there so and you throw your phone at the wall yeah i could read it 10 minutes later
[00:41:29] like oh well it's but we can be hesitant on that stuff and like you said you can't just pull the
[00:41:35] trigger on everything not everything that i'm saying not anything that glitters is gold or anything
[00:41:41] that shines is gold like so you got to be aware not everything's a home run but these last things
[00:41:46] that we've been going after and pursuing we've taken action on it they have been working out they are
[00:41:52] going in our our way i do believe that circle of influence that you keep surrounded or with you
[00:41:59] they're going to guide you too and if they care about you they'll say something they won't just
[00:42:03] agree with everything you say but that's been a big one but yeah nothing's held held this up
[00:42:10] too much on that it's it's been yeah constant education and and like i said communication with
[00:42:16] with others and constant learning that's yeah that's helped us and motivated us to continue
[00:42:22] so to to kind of wrap it up do you have anything to to say to somebody a young young entrepreneur or
[00:42:29] even even old but they don't know it yet
[00:42:34] yeah lots to say i guess but i to me we've hit on lots today but that constant constant learning
[00:42:43] constant idea of you don't have to agree with everything on the other side of the coin
[00:42:48] but to learn about it to absorb it to understand i guess that's a big thing try and understand
[00:42:54] where another individual is coming from or how something in the economy is working or you know
[00:43:01] even to really get in the deep end like bitcoin you know that's a totally new thing to try and
[00:43:07] understand and grasp different ideas staying the same continuing to do the same things you're going
[00:43:15] to get those same results i love i love hearing that too i just speak so much truth to it and there's so
[00:43:21] there's so much to that statement i think we need to continually develop adapt adapt to changing
[00:43:30] situations in the economy the world even just your physical health well-being getting older things change
[00:43:36] too right there's there's lots to it so i would just yeah stay ready stay active there's joe rogan
[00:43:43] talks about too it's better to be a warrior in a garden and a gardener in a war and i just i love
[00:43:48] that idea like have these tools have that ability yeah be knowledgeable be physically prepared and then
[00:43:56] whatever comes your way you're ready for it yeah so you work out quite a bit how do you think working
[00:44:02] out affected your life do you work out quite a bit yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it's uh i mean it's kind
[00:44:08] of been my whole life to be honest i was a i was a i always say a big fish in a small pond come from
[00:44:14] marathorpe 1200 people in the whole town and i was like good athlete um for for that small town so it
[00:44:23] did me well track and field red ribbons hockey there's only 10 of us and you're asking someone
[00:44:29] if they have skates to make the team but i was a really good hockey player so it always had that
[00:44:34] athletic ability and that made me friends and that made groups of people and so everywhere i went through
[00:44:39] that i got to play up to junior hockey for the storm um that's where firefighting came into play
[00:44:45] and then when kids came along there was uh there was a triathlon so i started doing triathlons because
[00:44:51] i want to be mobile and be able to bend down with my kids and play with them and and that's i want to say
[00:44:57] one of the bigger times where i could be alone and when you're alone running for two hours an hour
[00:45:04] you go through a lot of i call it suck like you just go through a lot of suck when you're on a run
[00:45:09] and i'm 230 pounds at this time my body doesn't run it likes to lift weights and stand still so you're
[00:45:17] going through that mental battle and then you start to callous the mind that's what goggins he would
[00:45:22] always say callous the mind right so you're doing stuff that you don't want to do so you're going to
[00:45:26] push your limits to farther than you want to go so you're callousing that mind and you're proving
[00:45:31] to yourself look what i can do i got to call my uncle he did iron man's in quebec and i said i can't
[00:45:37] run more than 10k i cannot get to 10k and he simplified it he said corbin just run in a straight
[00:45:44] line for 5k and turn around you have to get home you can do it and it's funny the simplicity
[00:45:50] of that and i think there's some colony relief behind it but yeah okay so that's what i did the next
[00:45:56] day and so you can check off 10 kilometers so for me 10 kilometers is a huge hurdle i can never get
[00:46:01] past it and then you do and then that just elevates well what else can i do get someone to drive you 10
[00:46:08] kilometers from your house drop you out you will find a way but i i would do it you know what would
[00:46:14] happen i do like a five to six kilometer loop and to my door so my brain says hey you're done man
[00:46:20] right at your door shut it off you made it yeah and i couldn't there was times where
[00:46:26] i'm battling with my brain go you're home it's okay turn on so you done good yeah you did it you
[00:46:33] did it so that's where fitness uh bike rides four hour bike rides so you're doing 100 kilometers on
[00:46:39] your bike it's just you and the road and the wind for four hours i'm not listening to music because
[00:46:45] i'm on the road you want to hear for vehicles you got your thoughts you got a lot of thoughts of what
[00:46:50] you're going to do and your mind goes all over the map too you know kids and finances and direction
[00:46:55] and past and present and rarely are you thinking about how you're spinning or how you're sitting on
[00:47:00] the bike it's a lot of just external thoughts and your mind just goes off because it's the same
[00:47:07] motion for 100 kilometers yeah so your brain doesn't get to it you're not acting as say tennis or
[00:47:14] something like that where you're there's there's different aspects to it but so for me it really
[00:47:20] just grew my mindset on it and obviously physically it changed my body quite a bit but i would say it's
[00:47:26] just that time spent of pushing past your limits to where yeah i never thought i could run past 10k
[00:47:34] like to do the race i did i did a triathlon so it's 1.9 kilometer swim which again i hit the pool and i
[00:47:41] did 50 meters and i said this is going to be impossible there's no way i can almost run 2k
[00:47:46] i can't do i can't do one length i'm swallowing water i'd refill the pool when i'd leave like
[00:47:52] it was nuts so there was there was that hurdle but then you did it and i did it and it just sets
[00:47:58] that barb like what else can i do where else can i go the bike ride is 90 kilometer bike ride and i
[00:48:04] like to bike so that to me that was easy and then the run was 21k and i just when i was training
[00:48:10] through this there was all these hurdles and there was all this time where how am i going to make this
[00:48:14] happen how am i going to do this and you find a way and when you sign up for a race and you commit
[00:48:19] to something that's a huge motivator oh yeah and then you tell someone about it that's an even bigger
[00:48:24] motivator because now they're going to hold you accountable and they're going to ask questions
[00:48:27] yeah so it yeah it uh it built so the callous the mind i mean that that really is i had a lot of reps
[00:48:36] a lot of opportunities where you still want to have family time i still have to go to work and we still
[00:48:40] got to train so i'd be up at 3 30 in the morning with my flashlights on the front and back biking
[00:48:45] through town going out to richie brothers and out to wembley and so doing whatever i what i could
[00:48:51] and that's crazy and i kind of like when people would tell me like that's insane it's like good
[00:48:57] good i like that like i i like that i'm pushing boundaries at other individuals and again i'm
[00:49:04] not running for days i'm not biking a thousand kilometers but i just i enjoy that when and i
[00:49:10] search for those things of doing these kind of crazy outside the box ice bath has kind of become
[00:49:15] normal at this point but yeah getting up early doing the runs doing the bikes doing different
[00:49:21] things that a lot of yeah that people would uh push away from and not run towards and i think
[00:49:27] that's what we need more not the the world is becoming much more cozy and comfortable and i don't
[00:49:34] want to say soft but we are we are adapting to the things the comforts of life yeah and i think
[00:49:41] it's important that we go against the grain and i think you run in the snow or the rain or you jump in
[00:49:46] a cold bath or you work out when you don't want to like that win in the morning when your alarm goes
[00:49:52] off and you go you know what and you can turn that on a dime and you get up and you go and you do the
[00:49:59] things you don't want to do the momentum and the stacking that that does for for your life and your day
[00:50:05] i think it's i just wish everyone could experience that you know doing hard things and seeing that
[00:50:12] happen over and over building that repetition it just it levels you up but you got to go through
[00:50:18] it to get that feeling and that's where i talk about the running i never thought i'd run past 10k
[00:50:22] and then i did oh you're invincible like you you build this stamina you build this strength you build this
[00:50:29] mental mental strength that okay what's next like let's do more hard things and i just wish everyone
[00:50:35] could experience something something to that degree because it uh yeah it really amps you up
[00:50:41] cool yeah well carven thanks for coming on the podcast it's uh good to have you here yeah thank
[00:50:48] you very much i appreciate the invite thank you everyone for listening if you guys learned something
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